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Know your enemies, Know yourself.

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If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.  Know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle – Sun Tzu

 
 
In this day and age of political reorganization, it has become easy to lose yourself in the shuffle and excitement of things that are happening.  That is one of the reasons that Men of the West was founded. The Men of the West saw that there was an ideological vacuum in the world and that if we didn’t step up to provide a coherent ideology, somebody else would, and we were pretty sure that we wouldn’t like that somebody else.  So, the first thing we have to remember is who we are.  We are the heirs of the West.  We are the holders and protectors of Western Civilization.  We believe in Christ as our King and we unite under His banner.

At this point, it is incumbent upon us to insert a quick word regarding our good friend Vox Day, Supreme Dark Lord – Evil Legion of Evil, Uploaded Internet Superintelligence, Snazzy Dresser.  Vox has put a lot of thought into where the current trends are likely going to take us (quick answer – nowhere good).  He has been an advocate of  “No Enemy to Your Right,” and has defined a spectrum of the Alt-Right going from Alt-Lite to Alt-Right to Alt-White.  He has explained the difference between a Civic Nationalist and a Nationalist.  It is our expectation that this column is going to irritate some and maybe get us labeled as Alt-Lite (We don’t care, we prefer the term “Hard Right”), or perhaps label us as “Civic Nationalists” (again, we don’t care, although more than one of us would embrace the term Southern Nationalist).

Enemy Number 1:  Communists

The Cold War may be over, but unfortunately the commies didn’t get the memo.  AntiFa is an outgrowth of the communist left.  Having failed after 8 years of Barack Obama to cement their control over the United States the communists have come unglued and are becoming violent (well – what counts for violence amongst the limp wristed commies of the 21st century United States.  We suspect that they might actually cry if you took away their iPhones).  The violence of the Communist Left leads us to our next enemy…
 

Enemy Number 2:  Fascists

Fascists are harder to define because the Communists use the term to describe anybody they don’t like.  For our purposes, we are going to define it historically.  Benito Mussolini said:

Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.

For our purposes, we will include NAZIs under the category of Fascists.  As everybody should know, the word NAZI literally means National Socialist German Workers Party.  They were unquestionably and undeniably a party of the political left (if you doubt that, read their Munich Manifesto).  We hate socialists just as much as we hate communists.  More so in some instances because Socialists have become the respectable form of Marxism in modern society.  (As far as we are concerned, the only difference between a fascist and a socialist is that one recognizes national borders and the other does not).  And we absolutely and without question despise NAZIs as the unholy spawn of Marx that they are.  And, we would point out, are to our left. 
 

Enemy Number 3:  White Nationalists

Most of us are white.  We value European history and culture.  But we are not going to associate ourselves with people who would conspire to commit a genocide (which is where these guys tend to intermingle with the much despised NAZIs, although there are some who lack the socialist pedigree and merely retain the bloodlust).   We don’t believe that a race war is in anybody’s interest.  If something like that starts, it will not be us that begins it.  If Vox Day is reading his tea leaves right, then there is a certain amount of racial nationalism coming that is inevitable.  Surrounding yourself with people who look like you is a far cry from conspiring to assault or murder another human being simply for being a different race.  These are rabid dogs and should be put down. To be clear, we do believe that normal, natural segregation is a good thing. The government has no business forcing people to integrate.
Our hope is that by putting this in words, that people will think about who they are associating with.  We realize that it’s tempting to band together with Fascists just because AntiFa hates them and also hates us, but organizations must be exceedingly careful about doing such things.  Making your deal with the devil just isn’t worth it.

86 Comments

  1. I think you need to clarify “White Nationalists”.
    Zionists are Jewish nationalists, but don’t to my knowledge want to kill all the goyim.
    White Supremacist might be a better term and there may be others.
    Nationalism merely means an in-group preference for your race.
    Omni-nationalism or pan-nationalism are similar. France for the French, Germany for the Germans.
    Now that race has become multicultural, it isn’t that I don’t want people of color around, I don’t want people of culture of barbarianism around. The correlation is almost perfect. Even if NABALT, go to Detroit and count the number who aren’t. Or Chicago.
    The word Patriotism comes from Father or Fatherland. Nationalism comes from Nativity, i.e. being born.
    Perhaps you can synthesize a “Christian Nationalism” based on Christendom, or even try to prepend Western- to Civic-Nationalism, but in both cases you create a filter where you have patriots and traitors, and I think you won’t find much different demographics.
    In any case for victory we must purge most of the traitors. Race is not perfectly accurate but a good proxy and easy. If you are going to try to purge on the basis of thought, it will be worse than anything the SJWs are doing or would do – still imperfect but worse than the TSA. Or even behavior like repeated single-motherhood, there will be a disproportional number.
    Even eastern civilization is in opposition – they may be nice but you won’t install Christendom in Korea, Japan or China even if you can bring Christ to them. And they are on average MORE intelligent, so how is it racist or supremacist to point out they are in many ways superior, but incompatible?
    I don’t say this because I desire the situation. The evil is that the cancer has metastasized where the easy optons are no longer available. I lived near Detroit all my life, and it was like watching a smoker slowly get emphysema and cancer, but wouldn’t stop, so now it’s radiation, chemo, and removing the lung.
    The far parts of the alt-white reject the rest of the alt-right, the alt-lite an alt-west, so it is unlikely we will need to purge them, they will self-purge. But it would be unwse to purge allies that desire to restore Christendom and Western Civilization (even if they aren’t professing Christians), but are racial sepratists. We have a common and committed enemy. After they are routed we can turn to our differences. And “freedom of association” itself is one of the values of Western Civilization. We can experiment later.

    • HAH! Zionists want nothing other THAN to kill us dumb goy. wake up and smell the pizza.
      Sorry, but race is the determining factor. Gooks are no different than jews, just not as smart. Just as cunning, and certainly not as lazy and even more bloodthirsty, but no different in the end.
      Christian civilisation is indeed the answer, but face facts – Christianity is a whiote mans religion, and only white men have ever had organised, just , Christian/moral societies. Realise that WE are the Israelites of old, the direct descendants, and return to our God – the rest will work itself out. Read your Bible and pay particular attention to Nehemiah.

  2. Nazi is a slander word. The party was called NASDAP.
    There are many misconceptions in this article and they show the author’s (or the blog as a whole) lack of historical knowledge, specially the genetic/biological/racial one.
    For instance, I don’t want to waste much time, so I’ll be brief:
    The whole of Northern India was White, where they built great civilisations, until the end of the Gupta Dinasty in the 6th Century, when Dravidians hordes invaded and made of them the same as they did of the ancient white Harappans.
    The whole of Central Asia was White, where they built great civilisations, including the famous and eternal Persia (who called itself Ariana Shastra, literally Aryan Empire) until the 7th Century, before the Turkic invasions.
    The whole of the Middle East was White, where they built great civilisations such as the Hittite and Mitani, Sumerian and Elamite (with the exception of Arabia and where Israel sits today), until the Islamic Invasions of the 7th Century.
    The whole of North Africa was White, where they built great civilisations, again, until the Islamic Invasions. (Phoenician colonies were only a little Semitic regarding DNA, just like Phoenicia itself. I’m talking about people’s genetics, not culture, and in this regard I also include Sumerians, Akkadians, Elamites, Egyptians and every other non-Indo-European Whites).
    What’s up for the future? Would I have to say “The whole of Europe was White, until the 21st Century” to my children and grandchildren too? Would I have to say “America was colonized by Whites, they built civilizations and were displaced. Now we don’t have anything” to them?
    Please, fuck yourself, little “man of the west”, you’re just one more cuck in a vast sea of them.

      • Nice arguments, calling somebody a “pissant” when you can’t even look at you comparing your little self to Theophrastus.
        What bigger sign of arrogance and ignorance? And then you try to lecture people with Sun Tzu, when you’re an hypocrite regarding those very words.
        I’m not going to expand on my words because there are tons of Historical and Genetic information out there: Whites were everywhere, and where they were, they built wonders – but at the same time, they were replaced by the very peripheric savage peoples they, many times, decided to shelter.
        You don’ have to speculate about the future, it already happened in the past.
        Now, if you want to keep with your attitude of “know it all” (when you clearly don’t, you know shit about history and hbd), then you can remain being a pissant yourself instead of projecting onto others.

        • If you have anything of substance, please share. If not, then go away. We have no use for White Supremecist retardery around here.

    • You sound like Neocon
      “Democrat are socialist” , “Tax cut” , “Bomb the middle east” is slogan of NEOCON
      Democrat are same as republican , a bourgeoisie who want monopoly
      And don’t give a crap about collateral damage ; tremendous successful white society turn into Third world
      Chuck schumer , john mccain , bill kristol agree with everything
      White america should do this or do that for multinational corporations and Banks
      You know, people who suppose to be help out society not destroying from the inside out
      You just mention that Most of Conservative voter are “whites”, and stil you are avoid racial issue
      Just Like Every single Republican in Past years,
      “We can coexistence with hippies , Liberal bourgeoisie , People of color”
      “Let’s Compromise” “We don’t support nationalism”
      All of this is pathetic Delay tactic , a retreat to suburb and after that retreat to basement tactic
      That’s why de Gaulle were such great men , but you and reagan were just short-sighted pimp
      Vast majority of African American won’t suddenly change to Lieutenant Geordi La Forge [ a White men with Black skin ]
      Even Soviet Empire and Communism , Chingiz Khan’s Empire and Brutal force failed to maintain their multi-national/cultural empire
      And you think American ideology like Consumerism is strong enough to Unite people come from different world ?

  3. I suspect that a lot of “white nationalists” will soften that stance and gravitate to alt-right. Right now, they’re just reacting to the racial polarization. We had some white nationalists with us at the Austin event, and they were great agitators, but it seemed like so much theater, because they were just fine with the non-whites among us.
    Some people are adopting the extreme of what the enemy likes to believe we are, but it’s not practical in the long run.

  4. John,
    That’s a whole lot of bullshit that you offer zero evidence or historical record for. There is no need to fantasize about the achievements or capabilities of white people. So why spin those yarns? You can’t prove any of what you just said.

  5. You are right. There is no need to phantasize about the achievements of whites. It’s all there for the world to see in the historical record.
    So the moral of this story is apparently, “Ignore genetics, history, and anthropology, archeaology, and the bible. Men of the west are what WE say they are.
    Good idea, throw away your allies so that you aren’t called ‘racist’. Sounds kinda cuckservative to me.

    • Brigagon, realize that no one here denies that Western Culture (defined as Christianized Europe) is what we want. We do not want to live in the mudhuts of Africa or anywhere else. The vast majority of us prefer to surround ourselves with others like us. We prefer White, Christian, Patriot compatriots.
      The problem here is that there is a lack of reality on the far alt-white idiot side. What are you going to do? Take up every black person in America and kill them all? Send them to Africa? If you think that either of those choices is the answer, then you are either an ungodly psychopath or delusional. Neither of those is going to happen.
      There is a difference between wanting to associate with like folk and being all spergy about it. (And we agree the government has no business forcing people together that do not want to be; hence our earlier article discussing segregation).

      • Not at all. We tried sending them all to Africa already… Proof positive that even with a solid grounding in western culture, non-european americans return to their mean almost immediately.
        The solution is very clear. Stop welfare. Stop affirmative action End all desegregation laws. Enforce ‘right of association’. Obviously we will still have our mudsharks and ganglanders, but that population will reduce.
        Yes, it is rather Malthusian, but it is not even remotely psychopathic. Frankly, removing the Illegal south American presence will allow them to self-segregate back into the ghettos they have been forced out of.
        And you can pat yourself on the back when a small percentage of those people manage to ‘make it’ into white society, as has always happened. We want the exceptions, and we want the rule to stop breeding on our dime.
        The bright side is, it will help eliminate the ‘won’t work’ genes in whites as well.

        • Every single author on this site would agree with you regarding the stopping of welfare, affirmative action, etc. We also agree that all illegals must go home. Again, we agree much more than you are seeming to recognize.

    • Oh, and not one of us cares one bit about being called a racist. You are totally misreading our point and motive.

      • when you badmouth people for being racists, you clearly care about being called a racist.
        If it makes you feel better, those of us that recognize race don’t really care about being called racist anymore. Everyone is racist. I refuse to be a multiracialist simply because I am Irish.
        Frankly, I don’t care WHAT color my neighbor is as long as he is a person of good conscience. My ‘race realism’ is based upon the fact that wherever I have gone, when the majority of my neighbors are of certain ethnicities, they cease to be good neighbors or people of good conscience.
        And the whole identity politics is hitting the fan. I suspect that very soon you may have to set your delicate sensibilities aside and recognize that the color of your skin is your uniform. Thank Obama, thank soros, thank whomever… but black violence has become normalized and in many cases, laws against their violent tantrums are going unenforced.
        Of course, there’s a small possibility that Trump has subverted that possibility. BLM has gone quiet. If we are very lucky, Strong enforcement of Rioting laws will prevent a race war, and enforcement of immigration laws will let the thugs return to their traditional cess pits.

        • It is a shaky thing to try to psychoanalyze someone across the interwebz. You might want to refrain from determining motives that way. Frankly, I do not mind engaging you in discussion here, as you have been around from almost the beginning, and though we do not always agree, you do at least attempt to make an argument. My issue with John was that he was a drive by commenter. He stopped in, insulted the author, and whined about the article. Not the best first impression.
          It seems to me that you are really advocating for segregation here, though. “…wherever I have gone, when the majority of my neighbors are of certain ethnicities…” that seems to speaks to the need for segregation, which we have discussed on this page before. Again, I think that in your attempt to present your case, you are failing to realize that we probably agree much more than you are writing here.

          • I think the substance of our disagreement is ‘No enemy to the right’.
            I consider the alt-white my allies. Perhaps they will have to be dealt with eventually, especially since many wn’s fail to recognize that feminism and ‘female empowerment’ is an even bigger issue than race, but for now I will unhesitatingly call them my allies as they help shift the Overton window to the right.
            I don’t really buy into the whole ‘We don’t need your help because… popularity’ bit. It feels astonishingly cucky to me, much like Buck’s ‘cleansing’ of conservatism in the 80’s.
            However, I have had more than enough exposure to the group to understand that there are hugely fundamental differences between WN’s and skinheads. Lumping them together is a leftist trick, and when I see it happening I naturally attempt to bring attention to what I see as concern trolling.
            Neonazis are socialist anarchists. If you want to lump them with something, call them ‘antifa racists’ since their goals are nearly identical.

        • It is irrelevant whether I care, you care, he cares, she cares or any individual cares about racism. The only thing that is relevant is that God cares:
          “every form of social or cultural discrimination in fundamental personal rights on the grounds of sex, race, color, social conditions, language, or religion must be curbed and eradicated as incompatible with God’s design.”
          It’s going to take some serious thinking to understand exactly what this entails, but I’ll point you in the right direction. Fundamental personal rights do not include the right to emigrate to the United States or any country, empirical observations about racial differences, scientific studies on average group intelligence or the right to join your European college club. The one clear thing it does entail is the right not to be murdered.
          http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c2a3.htm

          • Contrary to your assertion, the Bible is full of ‘discrimination’ for the reasons listed and advises us to do the same!
            read the Bible and quit listening to what the antiChrist catholic government tells you sir.

  6. Brigadon,
    If you can prove it, fine. I’d be shocked if John can prove 20% of that spergout rant.

    • What do I have to prove? Goddard, the Wright Brothers, Oppenheimer, Tesla, Newton, Franklin, Babbage, Marconi, Bell, Ford, Somerset, Savery, Colt, Kilby, and about ten thousand others. They were not always American, but virtually all the technological progress in the last thousand years was made by western Europeans.
      Architecture and engineering also have similarly pale lists. recently (in the last 30 years) asians have been doing some…unique architecture, but I have yet to be impressed by the beauty of their designs. Heck they cannot even seem to engineer an electromagnetic gravity cooling rod reactor failsafe that any kid with an erector set could design.
      Versus what… George Washington Carver?
      Nothing needs to be proven.

  7. John: I DONE DID SHAT UPON YOUR PARLOR!
    MotW: Pissant.
    John: *feigns shock* MY SHAT IS THE BESTEST, KNAVE.

  8. I agree with this well thought out post. Marxism, socialism, fascism and Nazism are all branches of political liberalism, each with their own conception of the emancipated New Man and the subhuman scum interfering with the equal freedom of the emancipated man. Each movement has its foundation in the supreme will of the individual — free from the oppressive chains of history, tradition, Natural Law and God Himself. The main commonality of all these political ideologies is rebellion against God and His laws.
    There are definitely strands of the Alt Right — particularly the Alt White or Alt Retard that are worthy of contempt. A large number of the Alt White are guilty of race idolatry. They actively deny that the Alt White is pro West or religious in anyway. They see Western Civilization as the enemy. They fundamentally reject Christ. Read any of the comments at AltRight.com and you will begin to see the pattern. It is not my priority to attack the Alt White. For the most I ignore them, but the hatred of Christ and Western Civilization is apparent in some circles of the neo-pagan, secular Alt White.

  9. As Vox Day has stated, civic nationalism is not sustainable.
    There is no nationalism without some form of ethnic center.
    Men of the West are by definition white/Occidental/European identifying etc.
    Wanting to keep white homelands of various white ethnic groups majority of those same said groups is not white supremacy.
    There is and will always be the State. Socialism can work in certain environs (e.g. the Scandinavian countries before mass immigration).
    We have never had anarcho capitalism, and we never will.
    This is a disappointing essay. Ugh.

    • Not sure where Anarcho-capitalism is mentioned in the article. Are you reading something into it that is not there?

      • Can we agree that there is very little chance that truly free markets will ever be established?
        I hope so as that has been the truth since forever, yes? (Rhetorical).
        So as the old joke goes, woman will you have sex with me for one million? “Yes”. How about $10? “What kind of woman do you think I am”. We’ve already established that. Now we’re just haggling over the price.
        The State will exist. Many will want more, many will want less. You must haggle over the amount of it.
        In a fairly stable/homogeneous society socialism has worked quite well in the past. The Scandinavian countries have for years held the highest standards of living and happiness/well being ratings, while also scoring high in the freedom index.
        So being enemies of Socialists because the are socialists is ???? Under certain conditions it has been shown as an extremely workable economic model.
        The early church was also socialist.
        The idea of National Socialism, of private ownership with profits while under State scrutiny to, theoretically, do what is most beneficial for the nation and its peoples, seems a whole better system than our current corporatocracy, crony capitalism, whatever you want to call it.
        You believe in any trade regulations, tariffs, sales tax, income tax, etc.?
        How much redistribution and safety netting are OK? What are the limits to a little socialism or a moderate amount, to a lot? Are you with the paleocons, the tradcons, neoreactionary, laissez faire libertarian, anarcho capitalist? Can some of these even exist in the real world? All? None?
        And again, what kind of nationalism is there outside of some ethnic boundary? If there is then what? If not, then again, we are simply haggling over price (how white/western/occidental/European) do you want it to be? How much does it need to be? How much does it have to be to survive?
        EVIL WHITE NATIONALIST SOCIALIST!

          • You are not this obtuse? I have given you a spectrum. I am now believing your are arguing in bad faith. I am about to remove this website from my blog list. I have been clear so now quit being pedantic. I am not a slobbering moron, engage or state you can’t engage in this argumentation.
            You cannot address that socialism is not some great evil that you tried to make it out to be. What along the spectrum of economic theories is not enemy? Is a heavily regulated state economy by people truly concerned about their people and their nation acceptable? Is that too close to socialism? What if that highly regulated economy is managed to the true benefit of the nation/of the peoples? Massive tariffs to offset the slave labor of China or the dirt poor conditions of Mexico/Vietnam/Sri Lanka?
            Socialism in Scandinavia resulted in the most prosperous, highest quality of life, and highest rankings on the freedom index the West has ever seen before muti-culti. Their embrace of multiculturalism has destroyed their nirvana.
            So now you must destroy enemies like them? Because they are socialists?
            This is your chance to man up and make a case. You have not. This essay of yours is a mess.
            El Borak knows who I am. I am no troll. I have interacted with him on Vox’s blog for at least 10 years.
            I expect better from Men Of The West.
            Also, again, for the one feigning ignorance and obtuseness, what nationalism is there that is not based upon some ethnic composition that is sustainable? How much non-homogeneous population can a true nation absorb? We were approx. 90% white before 1964.
            Can you address the Hart (((Cellar))) act for the US? How about the (((Kalergi))) Plan for Europe?
            Why is it that you refuse to address the racial/ethnic basis of this? How many nonwhites is workable and acceptable?
            I have been straight forward and clear.
            Forgive any typos because you are really starting to piss me off with this riding riding hood in the woods naivete/obtuseness/not grasping the argument crap.

          • Socialism will not work long term. It has never worked long term. It is built upon the concept of taking, by force, from those who produce and giving it to those who do not. It is no more than a form of government forced welfare.
            Honestly, I am under no obligation to tickle your fancies or respond to your drivel. This is our site, not yours. If you want to remove yourself from our page, I am sure you know exactly where to find the delete button. I promise that no one here will lose any sleep over it.

          • BTW, I think you might have a reading comprehension problem. You keep referring to “my” article, but I did not write this one.

          • As well as the fact, that no one has said race is not an issue. What we are saying is that the Alt-White/White Nationalists are misguided, in that there is no monolithic “White” race. There are Germans, Swedes, Irish, etc. Even the League of the South, who are advocates for White people claim a particular hold to a “Scots-Irish” heritage. That is more specific that “white.”
            But we fully acknowledge the racial component of the overall picture.

          • And to elaborate for clarity.
            You can inquire with anyone from Vox to the long time regulars (Nate, Josh Gayest, Alutheran/Houston, Carolus/Gen Kong, El Borak, Spacebunny, or even Vox himself) at Vox’s blog about my handle/who I am.
            I wish to completely nip and “troll” accusations in the bud. You can go read my blog and follow my path from christian libertarian to the more approx. identitarian I am today via my blog posting.
            Address my points in the previous rebuttals to your essay, or don’t.
            But don’t give me anymore “I never mentioned AnCap” You targeted an economic philosophy as enemy. Should we kill libertarians as they have pushed open borders? Should we kill the capitalists, as they have allowed the country and our people to be financially raped with fiat money and usury, while exporting our all our manufacturing ability abroad to foreign powers that might aggress us? The both for pushing to bring in cheap labor to subvert the native populations? And these foreign immigrants are subversive to our culture and work under the table for wages that destroy the natural labor market. Do we kill all the libertarians and capitalists as the subversive, anti-national, anti-west, and, dare I say, anti-white bastards that they are all?
            .
            You stated socialism and white nationalism are enemies, now back it up with facts, truth, and evidence or retract it.
            I have given you plenty of arguments to address via several of my comments, yet, you have still not addressed anything I have put forward.

          • Genius. I was at VP before you knew it existed.
            Again, I did not write this article, a fact that I have pointed out, but that your wonderful genius-level reading skills seem to be missing. You do not make the rules here. You do not get to tell the owners of the site what do on their own site. Again, you know where the door is. Bye.

          • My stupid confusion for thinking you were the author. My apologies to you and the author for my haste in that.
            With that the author is misguided at best.

          • I do think the author, Flanner Avenger (also a long time VP guy), has some follow up articles in the works.

          • Many of us were on the email lists before the blog even started. Nate and I knew each other on message boards before Vox even started writing at WND.

          • I am not now, nor have I ever been an anarchist of any sort. Nor have I ever been a Libertarian. My politics can probably best be described as Jesse Helms Conservative.
            However, since it is apparently unclear why socialism and socialists are enemies of the West, I shall endeavor to write up a suitable explanation at some point in the near future.
            As to VP – I irritated Vox on his very first blog post.

          • Ha. I did not irritate him that early. Did he ever delete one of your comments, though? He has mine.

          • Yes, you are under no obligation to address anything, and to this point you have not.
            “Socialism will not work long term. It has never worked long term. It is built upon the concept of taking, by force, from those who produce and giving it to those who do not. It is no more than a form of government forced welfare. ”
            NAP and politics is violence by another name/means.
            Yes, yes, this is old. But the State is and always has been, and to this point seems as it will always be.
            There is no shiny libertarian-utopia future, just as there is no no shiny Star Trek multicultural, technological future.
            So, again, now that we have established that the State will be there, what levels of State control/interference do not qualify as enemy?
            Libertarians are an enemy. Capitalists are an enemy, Laissez-faire is an enemy, Cuckservatism is an enemy, Paleocon and their anit-free trade tariffs are any enemy, monarchists are an enemy, trad cons are an enemy, reactionaries are an enemy.
            What economic philosophies are not enemies?
            What amount of State is not an enemy?
            I am not seeing a coherent proposal here.

          • ConnantheCimmerian,
            I’m not sure why you are vigorously defending Socialism. In the 16 points Vox Day makes clear:
            Socialists are not Alt Right. Progressives are not Alt Right. Liberals are not Alt Right. Communists, Marxists, Marxians, cultural Marxists, and neocons are not Alt Right.
            The Democratic Socialism you are defending is not equivalent to traditional Socialism, which entails the public ownership of the means of production. I’m interested to read the authors follow up post, but for now I’ll give you two reasons why Socialism is the enemy:
            We make this pronouncement: Whether considered as a doctrine, or an historical fact, or a movement, Socialism, if it remains truly Socialism, even after it has yielded to truth and justice on the points which we have mentioned, cannot be reconciled with the teachings of the Catholic Church because its concept of society itself is utterly foreign to Christian truth.
            (Encyclical Quadragesimo Anno, May 15, 1931, n. 117)
            and
            For, the fear of God and reverence for divine laws being taken away, the authority of rulers despised, sedition permitted and approved, and the popular passions urged on to lawlessness, with no restraint save that of punishment, a change and overthrow of all things will necessarily follow. Yea, this change and overthrow is deliberately planned and put forward by many associations of communists and socialists.)Encyclical Humanum Genus, April 20, 1884, n. 27)

          • I have also been there since the beginning. You wouldn’t recognize me as Phantom, but I was there. I’m just using a different name here. These guys can confirm that.

          • Yes. In fact, a goodly number of our MOTW writers were THE original participants at VP.

          • I am happy to testify that Conan is who he says he is.
            That said, before we have a “I was Vox’s BFF first” contest, were any of y’all ever awarded a Daisey Award by said Dark Lord? Then as Shakespeare never said, Puff not thine chests before me, knaves, lest I filet thee like unto a pigeon. Four and twenty dread ilk baked into a pie is a dandy dish to set before the father of chili.

        • Scandinavia worked with socialism because they were in the unique position of having a valuable and limited natural resource that is nationalized.
          Their version of socialism was, like all socialism, borrowing from their future to pay for their present.

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    To the author of this comment. If you have something of substance to say, even if in disagreement, then fine. If you are just going to come in and insult people, then you may leave. We have no patience for such things.

  11. The West is a polite synonym for Whites. No point beating around the bush. It can’t be racially inclusive of blacks and browns and mean much of anything.

    • No one here denies that Western Culture is a Christian European (and hence White) product. But you are glossing over the reality of the situation. We do not want to important African, Asian, or any other cultural components into Western Culture, and yet we have people who live in the West that we have to deal with. So again, your choices: 1) Kill them; 2) Remove them totally; or 3) Find some way for them to live in a Western Culture.
      If you choose 1, you are psycopath. If you choose 2, you are delusional. So we are left with 3.
      So we can agree on what “The West” is. What to do with that truth is the question.

      • The answer for other than Western Civilization people living within Western Civilization is simple. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. Speak their language, celebrate their holidays, respect their laws, and take on their culture. It is their culture, not the one you left. You will never be ~Roman, no matter how hard you try. Since you left wherever to live within Rome, let the Romans run the show. Your input is not welcome. Should the Romans not wish to be Romans, they’ll let you know. Just understand, they shall take offense should you actively wish to tell them how wrong they are. You can easily become persona non grata.

  12. Even well-established and well thought out philosophies have gaping holes for reality to poke through.
    Look at Vox’s 16 points, for example… #10 and #15 presupposes that all cultures are valid, or even sane.

    • “Look at Vox’s 16 points, for example… #10 and #15 presupposes that all cultures are valid, or even sane.”
      No.
      10. The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.
      15. The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.
      Sanity doesn’t enter into it. Validity isn’t even a feature.

      • That’s exactly what I mean by gaping holes. There are far too many circumstances where… not only must you reject ‘native’ authority, but you must actively fight against it.
        As a for instance, what if their culture has, as a ‘feature’ a violent hate and intent to destroy and enslave you, your religion, or your people? This is not a particularly unlikely for instance, Considering that it is happening right now.
        Sure, feel free to reject the notion that anyone is innately superior. But that doesn’t mean you can understand that some peoples and cultures are utterly and completely INFERIOR. Lands changing hands has been the way of the world for all of recorded history and well before. Expecting or even hoping for that to change is unrealistic.

        • “As a for instance, what if their culture has, as a ‘feature’ a violent hate and intent to destroy and enslave you, your religion, or your people? ”
          Are being obtuse on purpose?
          3. The Alt Right is not a defensive attitude and rejects the concept of noble and principled defeat. It is a forward-thinking philosophy of offense, in every sense of that term. The Alt Right believes in victory through persistence and remaining in harmony with science, reality, cultural tradition, and the lessons of history.
          4. The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy.
          5. The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.
          6. The Alt Right is anti-globalist. It opposes all groups who work for globalist ideals or globalist objectives.
          7. The Alt Right is anti-equalitarian. It rejects the idea of equality for the same reason it rejects the ideas of unicorns and leprechauns, noting that human equality does not exist in any observable scientific, legal, material, intellectual, sexual, or spiritual form.
          “Sure, feel free to reject the notion that anyone is innately superior.”
          I’m not. See point 7.

        • “15. The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.”
          “Sure, feel free to reject the notion that anyone is innately superior. But that doesn’t mean you can understand that some peoples and cultures are utterly and completely INFERIOR.”
          “general supremacy” != “reject the notion that anyone is innately superior”

  13. OK. So not a single one of you can argue against what I have stated.
    Socialism is not alt-right.
    Vox may think this but it is not truly defined this way as many of the alt-right do not share this opinion.
    Socialism is not alt-right cause Vox.
    That is the best you have. No real argumentation to what I have posted. MPAI
    Go ahead and shut this blog down if that is all you have.
    This website needs much help.

    • That’s not all we have. What we have is the Magisterium of the Catholic Church informing us that Socialism “cannot be reconciled with the teachings of the Catholic Church because its concept of society itself is utterly foreign to Christian truth.” What we have is Scripture, Tradition, and Truth.

  14. Truly, when no one, author, contributor, or commenter can muster a coherent/cogent argument to the little amount of push back that I provided, it is really pathetic. Secret Kings governing their secret kingdoms and not aiding in the defense of the West in any truly meaningful manner.

  15. 2 points:
    Fascism was a direct and necessary response to the threat of the communist disease spreading in Europe.
    White nationalism today is more nuanced than the white nationalism of yesteryear. It might even better labeled as American Ethnonatioalosm. It doesn’t seek the eradication of the other (as you assert,) but rather the advocacy of the people who make up the body of its adherence.

  16. […] want to take a moment to point out that had the people planning that rally read Men of the West, they would have known better than to let Richard Spencer and his traveling circus of undesirables an….  They should have seen the signs that they were being set up.  They walked right into a trap […]

  17. This is a vast TL;DR screed of misconceptions R/E Fascism, National Socialism, Socialism (as defined in the nationalist context), White Nationalism itself, and identity politics in general. I think a bullet point should have been left by the author for himself. He is his own worst enemy by virtue of sheer ignorance. To some, having a state at all = Fascism yet without it there is no nation.

    • I sure came late to this party, but thought, after reading the comments, that I would offer my two cents.
      What Conan is pressing is an advancement in what type of governing structure a state should have. Should it have ‘socialist’ components as I believe most commenters dismiss full-blown communism/fascism/sell-out capitalism (no one’s mentioned monarchy or divine rule. VoxDay has recently declared that the major threat to peace is science and technology, likely coupled with atheism. So there’s that).
      This debate took attention away from the main point, I believe, of the article: signaling that white supremacists are non-persons due to the fact that (?) there’s too many non-whites in western nations and dealing with them would be ‘messy’. So it’s a fait accompli then? Once you get a certain immigrant percentage, expulsion is off the table? What this reveals is something more sinister as to immigration – get them in when the host nation’s guard is down and they’re locked in and now the host nation’s problem.
      Back to Conan. If he agrees with the above reality, he then asks whether socialism would be best suited to manage it.

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