Charlottesville and the Church

August 21, 2017
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In the wake of the stupidity in Charlottesville VA, church leaders across the US have been falling over themselves to condemn the Nazis. And they seem to gloss over the fact that not everyone who attended the rally was a Nazi. But they didn’t condemn the Communists, who started the violence.
Here is the released statement from the Orthodox Church of America:
“The Holy Synod of Bishops of the Orthodox Church in America joins people of faith and good will across the United States, Canada and Mexico in unequivocally, unreservedly and unambiguously rejecting words and actions which perpetrate, support or encourage hatred, violence, racism, white supremacy, white nationalism or neo-Nazism.”
The following is an open letter to the Churches. Feel free to forward to yours.

I can say with all certainty that I also denounce White Supremacy and Neo-Nazism. However, I do not understand how we can reject words and actions which support and encourage hate, violence, racism, or nationalism, without also rejecting scripture.
Hate, like all emotion, is a gift from God, and has it’s time and place. We are even instructed to hate by the prophets and the apostles.
Psalms 97:10 To love the Lord is to Hate evil.
Proverbs 6:16-19 The Lord hates six things; in fact, seven are detestable to Him: arrogant eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that plots wicked schemes, feet eager to run to evil, a lying witness who gives false testimony, and one who stirs up trouble among brothers.
Romans 12:9 Love must be without hypocrisy. Hate evil; cling to what is good.
According to these scriptures, hate, rather than being the opposite of love, is instead a necessary part of love.
With hate follows violence. If hate, by definition, is intense hostility and aversion deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury, then violence is hate in action.
It is no secret that The Church has enemies. And our enemies wish us harm. Our Lord instructed his disciples to carry a sword when he sent them out because self defense is sometimes necessary. All Christians wish to live our lives unmolested and in peace. However the evil that rules this world is actively trying to destroy us. It is not content to let us live in peace. The Crusades are often criticized as violence by Christians, were in fact defensive in nature. By the time of the first crusade, Muslims had conquered and put to the sword 2/3 of the Christian world. Christian Violence was necessary, and it was driven by hate. Hate of what is evil.
Lastly, please help me solve the problem of condemning racism and nationalism, without condemning God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
It was God who cursed us to be separated by Nations at Babel. God is the father of Nationalism. And as with all things that the Father speaks into being, Nationalism is still woven into the fabric of reality. Men are still cursed to spend our days in labor. Women still suffer in child birth and follow after men. And the serpents of the earth still crawl in the dust.
Nationalism is simply a love for your own people. It does not necessitate hate  or violence, just a preference. No one condemns Han Chinese Nationalism. And yet, when you condemn White Nationalism it becomes necessary to equally condemn Black Nationalism, Han Nationalism, or Latin Nationalism unless you wish to fall into the very racism that you are rejecting. And it seems counter intuitive to condemn Nationalism at all when we keep company with Greek and Russian Orthodox.
In Matthew 15:24 Jesus says “I was sent only to the lost Sheep of Israel”. This is a Nationalist statement. Jesus kept in his company two zealots. In today’s terms they would be called freedom fighters, or nationalists.
Then Jesus goes on to say in verse 26 “It isn’t right to take the children’s bread and give it to dogs”. This is a racial slur hurled at a minority.
There are other places where Jesus unambiguously differentiates between Gentiles and Jews. He is by all qualifications a racist. To help put this into perspective we need only make modern substitutions:
“I was sent only to White people. It isn’t right to give eternal life to the Chinks.”
Racist: a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
Given that Jesus never sinned, it follows that racism is not sin. Moreover Jesus would know that the Father cursed us into nations, a curse that will be until all things are made new. It needs to be said that after the woman showed faith, that Christ indeed blessed her and helped her child. So we can say that even when racism is present, love and grace are given to those who show good faith.
But if there is no good faith shown, what are we to do? If a group of people organize to oppress White Christians, call for the destruction of our people, culture, history, and Traditions, does the church really expect it’s people to do nothing? Does the church really condemn self defense?

Donner Schwanze is a Traditional Christian with Traditional values. He has had a tough life and has worked hard for everything he has. As a Father and a Husband, Donner will do whatever it takes to defend his God, his nation, and his family.


  1. Our church had the congregation stand and affirm:
    Statement Of Racial Unity
    I Stand Against Racism Of Any Kind.
    I Denounce The White Supremacy Movement Occurring This Weekend.
    I Believe The Kingdom of Jesus is One of Beauty In Diversity Made Up Of People From Every Nation, Language And Color Of Skin
    I Believe Jesus is The Great Unifier and Changer of Hearts And Jesus is the Only Hope for Reconciliation and Unity.
    I Will Pursue Racial Reconciliation with my Words and Actions.
    I Will Pursue Relationships Across Racial Boundaries
    I Will Represent the Love and Life of Jesus With a Life of Love and Words and Actions that Promotes Equality and Unity.

  2. My argument isn’t about the institution of the Church or the kingdom of Heaven with racism. Of course God created all men and his grace is given to all. It is just that racism is perhaps something common to all men and not the chief most evil that Marxists make it out to be.

  3. Ask your leaders if they are going to also have the church body unite in oath against BLM. They need to be held to account for this. It’s bad enough that we are forced by our schools and our jobs to apologize for our skin. We don’t need it from our churches.

    • Last time I checked, BLM and Antifa aren’t doing it in the name of religion like Heimbitch and crew are. Ignoring this fact is just a pathetic attempt to divert attention from one hate group to another, despite the fact that this is about religion and only one side claims it. It’s not relevant for them to condemn Communists, they already condemned it a thousand times over during the Soviet period. So stop trying to redirect fault and blame, it’s childish.
      In the immortal words of scripture: deal with the mote in your own eye first. Clean your own house of the filth before criticizing your neighbor.

      • Your checking skills leave much to be desired. This is a culture war, idiot. And religion is just one building block of culture, as is no-religion.

  4. So just to clarify I was attempting to add to your statement that the churches are falling over themselves to condemn the Nazis. The pastor surprised the congregation with this affirmation last Sunday. Fortunately, I wasn’t there that day.
    Before I leave the impression that I attend a converged church let me just say that this church is far from that but this kind of issue is his pet issue.
    I can’t speak for him but I have heard that your question was the one he was asked most and his response was something like – “we are a 99% white church. We have to call out our own so we have standing to call out others.”
    All that said I have my fair share of disagreement with him but he is the most Biblical (as far as I know) in our area and we have great community because of his unrelenting desire on promoting House Church.
    Since this is a first set of posts for me – let me say I’ve been reading MotW since inception and Vox Day since 9/11 (or so). I’ve got a long way to go but I’m one of you.

    • When globalism was first tried, God said it was not good.
      Nations and languages to separate the people was His solution.
      Trying to erase that solution is like fighting God?
      We’ve seen how well that is working…

    • The churches are lumping all White Nationalist in with Nazis, and then pretending that racism is just a white thing, all the while missing the hypocrisy of this.

  5. The reading at Mass last sunday was Jesus Saying he was sent to the children of Israel to a Samaritan and asking why should he give the childrens’ food to dogs.
    Jesus is a racist?

    • By definition, yes. Discrmination between peoples and races was normal back then. No one observing Jesus behavior would think that it was out of the ordinary or wicked. So these pastors are defining scripture according to today’s social morality, instead of defining social morality according to what is recorded in scripture. The follow up is that despite racial differences and cultural norms, Christ knew that grace would be extended to all in fulfilment of prophecy and God’s promise to Abraham.

      • This is isn’t necessarily a disagreement, but I think a more accurate description than “Jesus is a racist”. This is true if we obide by the Lefts ever expanding definition of racism and maybe that is the point being made. However, I think what is true is that the racial discrimination practiced by Jesus was not racist. Not all racial discrimination is racist. Racism is unjust racial “discrimination in fundamental personal rights” – CCC.
        A very well written post. We all understand the evil of Nazism. The problem is people acting like this is 1942 and Hitler has just declared war on the United States. A handful of idiots in stupid constumes are not a threat. I hate Nazism, but I also understand that the Left only uses Nazi as a bludgeoning tool to attack America, Whites and Christians. I know what I denounce and I don’t need to prove a thing to the dishonest, anti-Western Left. They are the real threat.

        • I made a point to define racist, to show that by the definition, Jesus was one. But your conclusion hits the mark, that actual racism is not the cheif-most evil that the left makes it to be. It is in fact something everyone does. But to the left, all racism equals genocidal rage. And these people are not Nazis. Nazis put high emphasis on physical fitness, work, and contributing to their community. These people are LARPers. They don’t understand that socialism will never work, even if it is nationalists doing it.

      • If you believed in your last statement, why would you suggest Jesus was a racist? His using a Samaritan (a despised people) as an example of what love was about would be out of character for a racist. He demonstrated that love for those like yourself isn’t good enough. He said you must love those who are different. He said if one seeks to save his life (heritage, culture) he will lose it. He said the greatest commandments were to love God with all your heart, all your being, and all your strength. And your neighbor as yourself. He went on to say that holding to these would mean you are not far from the kingdom. Search the entirety of the Bible and you will find out all the truth, not just that in the New Testament. The blessing of all mankind is wrapped up in the blessing of Israel. The wall of partition has been broken down, and there is no more division is Christ.

        • Jesus was a racist because the word has a set definition, and Jesus’s recorded words and actions fit that definition. You however are letting the left redefine the word to mean only “racial hatred”. I don’t deny anything you brought up. So since Jesus clearly showed prejudice between races, racism must not be something that excludes those blessed commands and behaviors.

          • I get it. Your “Nation” is not the United States of America. Your “Nation” is white people. God made a special place for his white children, and it’s known as “Europe.” So why don’t you move back there and save the Europeans from the Muslims, and leave “North America” to the peoples whom God originally put here, who you would know as “Injuns.” God made the world so the yellows were in Asia, the blacks in Africa, the whites in Europe, and the Red peoples in the Americas. Then you lowlifes went against God’s plan. So please go back to where you belong, get off our land, and take your Trump with you.

          • This is the stupidest fucking argument you commies make. “Hey remember how you guys interrupted the natives from eating each other’s hearts and skinning each other alive by taking over? Well it’s only fair that you let the Mexicans and cavemen take it from you.” Listen Glory Hole, life isn’t fair. We aren’t giving up anything. It’s traitors like you who need to leave. And no, America isn’t explicitly white, though the things that make America unique come from white and Christian culture. But it’s with no little irony that I point out to you that white Americans are the only ones who describe ourselves as just American, not German-American or Polish-American, or Irish-American. So when people who’ve lived here for generations insist on describing themselves as African-American and Mexican-American (and Native-American) you have to ask yourself where their loyalty really lies.

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